Talk:Nicole Brown Simpson

What was her occupation?

Does anyone have actual information about Nicole Brown Simpson? What was her occupation? - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 18:36, Jun 9, 2004 (UTC)

She was a waitress in a Beverly Hills nightclub before meeting OJ. I'll add that info. Also, Denise is older than Nicole, not younger. Sara

Nightclub waitress or country club waitress? there is a difference.

Nationality

Since she was born in Germany but grew up in the United States, would her nationality be German or American? 2001:569:7F96:EE00:4DD5:C16B:9759:5EF7 (talk) 02:05, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Could be both. Nakonana (talk) 17:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Her father was a U.S. citizen which automatically gives his children birthright citizenship even if born in another country. Not sure if Nicole had dual citizenship under German law, but she definitely was a U.S. citizen from birth. Since she also grew up in the United States, this would be her nationality. 2600:100A:B1C1:40F4:0:A:7919:EE01 (talk) 21:47, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Update photo

Should we update the photo to have a much more respectful depiction of her, maybe in black and white? WiinterU (talk) 01:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

I think there could be a good idea there, especially as the current image of her is a crop of her with her husband; there are many better images of Nicole out there to find. 92.17.198.220 (talk) 20:19, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

There are almost no images of Simpson-Brown that have a license compatible with Wikipedia. That's the overriding issue, and it's why the image we have is the only one used. Please read the details on the existing image, which explain it better than I can. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:31, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe, we could just remove the color from the photo to make it portrait like? ^Wiinter_U 00:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't know what rules if any apply to modifying the color of an existing image. It's probably okay, but I've no experience in that area of policy, so don't take my word for it. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 03:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Better Picture

Is there a better picture to use here that is more flattering and perhaps not a picture that was taken with OJ Simpson? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yyc1607 (talk • contribs) 04:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

It just seems like an odd picture. Open mouth and widened eyes- theres pleanty other pictures that could be used, with fair use in mind. 2A02:AA1:1617:6794:1:1:3C97:DA2C (talk) 21:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

"List of unsolved murders" see also entry

All else aside, this isn't a great see-also because it isn't central to the topic - we would need significant amounts of coverage describing it first and formost as an unsolved murder (with no qualifiers), and a significant amount of the body discussing how it's unsolved, before a generic list like this would make sense as a see-also. And it's just unlikely that that sort of coverage exists or would be WP:DUE. -- Aquillion (talk) 07:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

If we had a separate article on the killings themselves ... I would argue, frankly, that we should, neither she nor Ron Goldman are really notable for anything independent of their deaths. Daniel Case (talk) 05:01, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Domestic violence, edit war, and IP addresses

I want to start by thanking User:Daniel Case for his recent involvement with this page, as it has made dealing with the edit war process easier. At the moment, although I think it would be good in theory to have the page protected, it does not appear that many of the edits being made are from the same IP address. Repeated assertions of Nicole Brown Simpson as abuser in her relationship with O. J. Simpson are being added verbatim to previous edits, but it does not appear that they are being done in violation of WP's revert policy. I do not see any way to warn an IP address about this if they are not technically the one who has made past reverted edits.

The sourcing on some of these claims is dubious, though the most dubious among them have now been removed. I don't believe that anyone would believe that the Simpsons are equivalent in their abuse, even if all sources were entirely accurate, but it is not lost on me that some of these accounts have been the same promoting alternative theories of the case in which Simpson is not guilty of the murders. I want to start an official discussion about sourcing, claims, and editors, including how to prevent an edit war from continuing. I believe that some of the allegations against Brown are worthy of inclusion, and we should discuss these, but the way in which they are being added seems like an attempt at reputation-laundering for Simpson. I understand that the vast majority of us are editing here in good faith, whatever our opinions are, so thank you for participating! PickleG13 (talk) 23:34, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

https://archive.org/details/incontempt0000dard_d5e7

From Chris Darden’s book. On page 189 Jennifer Peace said Al Cowlings told her OJ and Nicole get into loud fights and Nicole would berate OJ with racial slurs.

https://archive.org/details/americantragedyu00schi/page/282/mode/1up?q=Bethy

From Lawrence Schiller’s book. On page 282 Nicole’s former maid Bethy Vaquerano stated Nicole called her a bitch and was abusive towards OJ and made racist and antisemitic comments. 2601:152:4980:2C60:645F:DE29:9F1F:4845 (talk) 00:32, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

“Jennifer Peace was twenty-three. She said that she was from Kentucky, but had moved to Los Angeles when she was nine. She’d been set up with Cowlings on a blind date by a porn actor and director named Ron Jeremy. They met at a restaurant in West Hollywood in late February or early March 1994. From the first telephone call, Cowlings talked about O.]. and said that he resembled Simpson and that they were best friends.

He asked her out again two weeks later, and they went to the Hard Rock Cafe in his Bronco. After dinner, they went to a hotel, the Radisson in Bel Air. In April, Peace saw Cowlings again, and he talked about an argument O.J. had gotten into with Nicole. Another night, Cowlings called and asked for the phone number of another porn actress, a woman whose stage name was Lyndon Johnson.

“It didn’t hurt me,” Jennifer said. “We weren’t in a monogamous relationship.”

Peace said that Cowlings described loud fights between O.J. and Nicole and that sometimes, Nicole would berate her husband with racial slurs.

“What did Mr. Cowlings say Nicole Simpson would say to Mr. Simpson?” I asked.

“Say the words?”

“Yes, please.”

She took a sharp breath. “I can’t believe I married a n*****. I knew this would happen to me.’

“Did Mr. Cowlings say what reaction there was, if any, from Mr. Simpson?”

“Just hurt,” Jennifer said. “I don’t know if it enraged him because he was already angry because they were fighting.” 2601:152:4980:2C60:81EB:4978:D644:73D7 (talk) 19:26, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Subject: Interview of Bethy Vaquerano (Nicole’s maid from June 1985 to April 1988)

Ms. Vaquerano stated the following: O.J. Simpson was very generous and kind toward her and her 12 year old son Erick. Nicole was a very nasty and mean person. Nicole assaulted O.J. on many occasions. She observed Nicole throw a crystal vase at O.J. Nicole struck O.J. with a baseball bat missing his head by a couple of inches. . . .

Nicole used profanities and referred to Ms. Vaquerano as "fucking bitch." Nicole referred to her gardener as a "dumb Mexican." Nicole referred to Jews and Afi-icanAmericans in the most demeaning terms.

Nicole was very confrontational and always started the fights with O.J. OJ. would argue with Nicole and eventually leave the house. Nicole told Bethy that the media made a big deal out of the 1989 incident. Nicole laughed at the 1989 incident.

When O.J.'s family was visiting him, Nicole referred to them as n******. . . . 2601:152:4980:2C60:81EB:4978:D644:73D7 (talk) 19:31, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

https://www.sfgate.com/books/article/BOOKS-Even-Simpson-s-Niece-Tells-Story-Terri-2807168.php

From Terri Baker’s book. “When, years later, she phoned Nicole to ask if she could come by Rockingham to visit the Simpson children, Sydney and Justin, whom she had never seen, "Nicole broke into a hysterical laugh: 'You're the nerviest bitch I've ever met. There is no way in hell I would ever let you step into my house -- much less see my kids. You'd steal everything in the place.' "

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/nicole-brown-simpson-was-a-racist-nasty-piece-of-work.4947291/page-6#post-84071715

A person on Lipstick Alley also read Terri Baker’s book and shared these passages from the book:

I knew Nicole was no angel herself. I saw her getting in uncle O.J. face, insulting and slapping him when she was angry. She would also taunt him, belittling him, and comparing him to other men, and sometimes she would come on to other men herself.

Things went pretty well that summer. I'd gotten straight A's at Santa Monica College and been accepted into UCLA. Uncle O.J. was pleased with my success and suggested I stay in Los Angeles instead of returning to San Francisco State that fall. I wanted to stay, too, so in late August Minnie and I decided to move into our own apartment.

Uncle O.J. offered to pay my rent while I was at UCLA. He was also paying Nicole's sister Minnie's tuition at USC. I thought it was a generous offer, and I wanted to make him proud of me. I told him what

the rent was going to cost, and I assumed he'd send a check to my landlord every month to cover it, but that didn't turn out to be the case. Nicole controlled the household accounts. That meant I had to go to Rockingham and ask her to write me a check to pay my rent every month.

It was an uncomfortable arrangement. I sensed that Nicole resented paying my rent, even though it was Uncle O.J.'s idea in the first place—and even though he was paying a fortune

in tuition so her sister could go to USC. I'd welcomed the gesture in part because I thought I was finally being accepted by my uncle the way Nicole's family was. And I knew how grateful my parents had been for his offer.

Yet as the months went by, it became increasingly awkward to ask Nicole for the money. Even though Uncle O.J. had suggested the arrangement, and even though I was working hard at school and my job, I still felt like a freeloader.

After a while I found myself putting off the trips to Rockingham to ask for the check as long as possible. As a result, I was chronically late with my rent. This went on for months, and with each month that passed, the pressure within me built. I should have confronted the situation directly, but at that age I was too insecure to say anything. Eventually, I became paralyzed. I just couldn't go to Nicole for that check again.

I weighed my options. If I was late with my rent one more time, my landlord would kick me out. I didn't want to ask my parents, and I couldn't possibly raise the full amount on my own by the first of the month. My second cousin Carla was also going to UCLA at the time, and we used to spend time together. One day, I was at her place and I saw her bankbook lying there. I picked it up. On an impulse that I'll always regret, I decided to "borrow" some of her money from her—without asking. I rationalized that she wouldn't mind; she was family, and I could pay it back before she even missed it. It would be just like borrowing from one of my sisters until payday, I told myself.

Soon afterward, Carla discovered that the money had been taken out of her account. All hell broke loose. She suspected me immediately, saying, "You're the only one who could have done it! Nobody else had a chance to get my passbook!" Overwhelmed with panic, I denied taking it, but Carla knew I was lying.

When Uncle O.J. found out, he took charge of the situation. Uncle O.J. brought Carla and me to the bank to meet with the manager. The manager ran a check, and there it was on a black-and-white security video—me, withdrawing the money. A camera had captured it all. It was the worst moment of my life. There was no denying it any longer. Overcome with guilt and shame, I didn't say a word as Uncle O.J., Carla and I drove back to my apartment. I had stolen the money, and I had lied about it, too. I was a thief. In my heart, of course, I d known how wrong it was from the beginning.

Unfortunately, the nightmare was only beginning. By the time we arrived at my apartment, Nicole and her sisters had searched my room, looking for stolen items. Apparently, when Nicole had heard what I'd done, she d been convinced I'd been stealing from her and everyone else since I'd arrived the summer before. Nicole and her sisters went through everything in my drawers and closet as if I were a criminal. In their eyes, I guess I was. What gave them the right to go through my belongings?

I'm sure that Uncle O.J. didn't know that Nicole would be there going through my things that day. The Browns were sitting in Minnie's room and as soon as I walked in, they began to yell accusations at me and call me terrible names.

I just stood there in shame, too devastated to even protest. I'd desperately needed my uncle to control the situation, but he didn't say a word. And, after a few minutes, he was gone.

I later found out that Nicole had been telling people for some time that money was being taken from her wallet, and personal items were missing and that she suspected my family. She could be very insulting to people when she was angry.

She'd even complained to Uncle O.J. that whenever our family was around, things would be missing. That didn't make much sense. Except for my summer at Rockingham, we'd rarely even been there. My parents, who are the most honest people I know, didn't appreciate the implication or the arrogance that made Nicole believe she had the right to suspect us that way.

And now, in a moment of incredible stupidity, I had confirmed not only her suspicions but the ugly stereotypes that inspired them. My theft from Carla's savings account had provided the perfect excuse for her to exclude our family from their lives even more.

Uncle O.J. had never forgiven me for embarrassing him, and Nicole considered me a pariah. As far as they were concerned, I had forfeited my place as a member of his family.

I didn't see Uncle O.J. or Nicole for a long time after Grandpa's funeral. In the interval, Justin had been born. I still hadn't seen Uncle O.J.'s youngest children. I kept hoping that Nicole would soften her attitude toward me since so many years had passed.

One summer afternoon in the late eighties I was down in L.A. visiting, and I thought about Sydney and Justin. I was having lunch that day at Gladstone's, a popular beachfront restaurant, and thinking about how long it had been since I'd seen my uncle's family. I had just broken up with my latest boyfriend and was feeling down, so I decided to call Nicole and O.J.'s condo in Laguna and see if they'd let me come by for a visit. Maybe I can see the kids, I thought. I finally worked up my courage, found a pay phone, and called their house. Nicole answered.

"Hi," I said nervously, "this is Terri. I'm in town for a few days. I wondered if I could come over and visit you and the kids this afternoon."

Nicole broke into a hysterical laugh.

"You're the nerviest bitch I've ever met. There is no way in hell I would ever let you step into my house—much less see my kids. You'd steal everything in the place."

My heart plummeted. The old familiar pain and shame washed over me. It had been so long since I'd taken the money from Carla, and I'd paid it back. And I'd never stolen a penny

from Nicole or her family (or anyone besides Carla), never done anything to Nicole. Why did she hate me so much? Would she ever let me live it down? I hung up the phone. Why do I even try? I wondered. 2601:152:4980:2C60:645F:DE29:9F1F:4845 (talk) 00:36, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Nicole also slapped her maid Michelle.

https://www.nydailynews.com/1996/10/22/oj-race-at-heart-of-abuse-criticism/ 2601:152:4980:2C60:2438:EAE3:2583:72A0 (talk) 01:14, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Pages 267 and 268:

“The two young women, the daughters of Gig Young and realtor Elaine Young (who sold O.J. the Rockingham house) and Peter Sellars and Britt Eklund, respectively, were waiting for a table at LaScala Boutique one afternoon (Jennifer believes it was in 1988) when O.J. and Joe Stellini walked in.”

According to Jennifer Young, this is what happened:

The maitre d' came over and said, 'O.J. and his friend would like you to join them for lunch.' We said, 'Sure, why not?' He was at the height of his career; I remember my mom had sold him his house; we were flattered.

So we sat down and had lunch. He was super nice, very genuine, very sweet. 'What can I get you?' 'Would you like dessert?' That kind of stuff. After lunch he was nice enough to say, 'Why don't I walk you two girls to your car?' So we said, 'Sure.'"

So far so good: O.J. is Prince Charming.

They all walked down Rodeo Drive, "and all of a sudden out of nowhere Nicole pulls up in her black convertible Mercedes with her hair pulled back in a bun. I remember verbatim what she said because it scared the hell out of me: 'You motherfucker, if you're going to fucking cheat on me why don't you pick someone pretty?!’

She just pulled up and screeched it. We were shaking! Was she gonna beat us up? Gonna kill us? Oh, my God . . .

We walked into a store, hoping that Nicole would calm down. We stayed in the store ten, fifteen minutes, hoping we could get back to our car safely. That was not happening. She kept circling around the block. She pulled up at the corner of Brighton and Rodeo, screaming at the top of her lungs. O.J. was as calm as could be. You would think if he had such a bad temper, it would really show, but instead he walked to her car and tried to calm her down, like, 'Listen, Nicole, this is nothing, these girls . . .' But she wouldn't take no for an answer. She was just screaming. He was embarrassed! She circled the block again, we walked into another store.

She pulled up again. She pulled something out of her glove compartment, opening the door. I'm thinking, 'A gun?! A knife?!' We were shaking!

As fate would have it a cop either heard her screaming, or else he was just passing through . . . but he pulled up right behind her. She looked at him in the rearview mirror, saw that it was a cop, shut the glove compartment, closed the door, took off. Phew. . . .”

Excerpt From

Raging Heart

Sheila Weller

https://books.apple.com/us/book/raging-heart/id1090599276 2601:152:4980:2C60:2438:EAE3:2583:72A0 (talk) 01:26, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

IIRC the allegations that Nicole once slapped a maid were floated by the prosecution, to cast discredit on Rosa Lopez's testimony, since the maid allegedly slapped had been one of her friends. Daniel Case (talk) 02:24, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

I will not make anymore edits, but I believe the previous passages about people allegeing Nicole’s abusive and racist behavior towards OJ and also his niece and her maids should be included on this page. 2601:152:4980:2C60:11F0:9683:74C6:7E06 (talk) 02:27, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

alleging* 2601:152:4980:2C60:11F0:9683:74C6:7E06 (talk) 02:28, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

“One male friend says he saw Nicole "slap O.J. and kick him in the balls at least three times during the eighties. (Not that he didn't deserve it!) Of course he acted like it didn't hurt—he was Mr. Macho. But when he said, in that note he wrote [on June 17, 1994], that he was a 'battered husband,' that's what I think he was referring to.”

Excerpt From

Raging Heart

Sheila Weller

https://books.apple.com/us/book/raging-heart/id1090599276 2601:152:4980:2C60:81EB:4978:D644:73D7 (talk) 19:20, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

That's far too much victim blaming for this article. I don't think it is supported by a majority of the literature. And it's poisonous to try and turn our readers against a murder victim to exonerate the murderer. Binksternet (talk) 20:51, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Especially when there are serious anomalies and discrepancies in the forensics that have received much more attention as casting doubt on the prosecution's case theory ... as the jury seems to have decided. Daniel Case (talk) 05:04, 3 March 2025 (UTC)