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February 21

Templates for references

Hi

Where can I find templates used to mark references as dodgy? I.e. the referenced publication does not contain what the editor suggests it does?

TIA Fob.schools (talk) 08:25, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Fob.schools, I think you want the template {{Failed verification}}. There are more templates for "dodgy references" in Category:Inline citation and verifiability dispute templates. You could also look at Wikipedia:Citation needed, which has some see also links and a navigational template for inline cleanup tags. TSventon (talk) 08:50, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Transfer of the logo of Strong Lebanon

Hi wikis,how transfer this logo (File:Strong Republic Bloc logo.png) to Wikimedia Commons,this logo it’s a wordmark (below TOO in Lebanon) is ineligible for copyright? (Google translator) AbchyZa22 (talk) 17:34, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

AbchyZa22 you can go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion to request restoration of the deleted version of the file. For example see Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#File:Logo Bormioli Rocco Group.jpg. Then you can click on the file's Export to Wikimedia Commons tab. TSventon (talk) 05:24, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Coordinate links no longer work

I just noticed that the coordinate links on Wikipedia articles about geographical features no longer work. No matter which coordinates I click on, I always get an error message from the ToolForge site. For example, clicking on the coordinates at Jätkäsaari gave this error message:

Not found The URL you have requested, https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=J%C3%A4tk%C3%A4saari&params=60.15524_N_24.911714_E_type:landmark_region:FI-18, doesn't seem to actually exist. If you have reached this page by following a link This URL is managed by the geohack tool, maintained by Dispenser, Kolossos, Magnus Manske. Perhaps its files are on vacation, or the link you've followed doesn't actually lead somewhere useful? You might want to look at the list of tools to find what you were looking for. If you're pretty sure this shouldn't be an error, you may wish to notify the tool's maintainers (they are listed above) about the error and how you ended up here.

Other coordinate links also give this same error message, only the URL in the error varies.

Is this some kind of bug in ToolForge or Wikipedia? JIP | Talk 22:49, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

A couple of minutes ago, JIP, I clicked on the coordinates at Jätkäsaari, and (after a delay of a few more seconds than usual) was taken to the expected page of links to Jätkäsaari on a host of maps. -- Hoary (talk) 03:14, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Hoary, this has been reported again by Dogru144 and I got the error message when I clicked on the coordinates at Jätkäsaari. TSventon (talk) 06:53, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

It seems to be intermittent, TSventon. Really, it worked for me, when I said it did. I tried it again a few minutes ago and it worked near instantaneously -- but then of course I realized that this was probably because I was just accessing some cache. So I tried it for Tallinn and Stockholm, and sure enough it didn't work (just as JIP said it didn't). -- Hoary (talk) 07:00, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

I agree it's intermittent. The problem has been raised at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#GeoHack down?, apparently This external tool is maintained by volunteers, hopefully they get around to it. TSventon (talk) 07:13, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

February 22

Citing an Army Court of Criminal Appeals decision

I am trying to fix one of the citations on suicide of Danny Chen. The citation for "on appeal, the Army Court of Criminal Appeals dismissed...discharging him with a Bad Conduct Discharge" is a bare URL. The link previously led to some sort of court decision. (It now leads to a history page, but thankfully, it has been saved on the Wayback Machine.) I want to fill out this citation, but as I have absolutely no experience with law or legal matters, I have no idea how to cite it. I do not even know which citation template to use. Still-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Butter (talk) 02:44, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Still-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Butter I tried {{cite court}} and put opinion=ARMY 20120804

Wikipedia code <ref>{{cite court |litigants=United States v. Ryan J. Offutt |litigants-force-plain= |vol= |reporter= |opinion=ARMY 20120804 |pinpoint= |court=United States Army Court of Criminal Appeals |date=22 October 2014 |url=https://www.jagcnet.army.mil/Portals/Files/ACCAOther.nsf/SD/9A3C04D4E233CC1885257D7E006DD210/$FILE/sd-offutt,%20rj.pdf |quote= |postscript= |archive-date=29 December 2016 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20161229233338/https://www.jagcnet.army.mil/Portals/Files/ACCAOther.nsf/SD/9A3C04D4E233CC1885257D7E006DD210/$FILE/sd-offutt,%20rj.pdf}}</ref>

displays as

References

TSventon (talk) 06:19, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll try that. Still-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Butter (talk) 02:14, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Toolforge map emergency

When clicking on the coordinates for various places one does not get to the GeoHack page/portal to various maps like OpenStreetMap or Google Maps. There is an error note from ToolForge. When will we get access back to the GeoHack directory of maps?Dogru144 (talk) 06:05, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

@Dogru144: This problem was reported recently at #Coordinate links no longer work, so it is probably best to discuss the problem there. TSventon (talk) 06:58, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this explanation and advice.Dogru144 (talk) 16:17, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Using CSS to block CentralNotices

Is it possible to block Central Notices via CSS? If so, how? Rockfang (talk) 06:29, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

@Rockfang: "Suppress display of all CentralNotices" is an option at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. It uses MediaWiki:Gadget-HideCentralNotice.js and MediaWiki:Gadget-HideCentralNotice.css. Maybe you would only need the CSS if you don't mind the banner code being loaded without displaying it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Name Change of "Saturn S series" Article

Would attempting an article move of the "Saturn S series" article to a hypothetical "Saturn S-Series" article-- given further research fully corroborates the idea that Saturn has always internally referred to the S-Series as "S-Series" (see Talk:Saturn S series#"S-Series", not "S series" for more details, such as references to "Saturn S-Series" and "Saturn S-series" as well as potential inconsistency within Saturn)-- be appropriate or overly pedantic?

It bothers me to leave an inaccuracy there but I also recognize it probably doesn't hurt much as is.

What should be done? TheSaturnLover (talk) 06:33, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

I suggest moving the article and see what happens. It can always be moved back if necessary. Rockfang (talk) 06:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Nothing. The planet is warming, the tundra is thawing, species face extinction, and fascism is on the rise. Meanwhile yours is what I think we may call a "first world problem". -- Hoary (talk) 07:08, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Your positivity is exhilarating, Hoary. Anyway, thanks be to Rockfang, we will see what happens. TheSaturnLover (talk) 07:32, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Help me with draft article

Hello, I have created an article on drug bust controversy in Visakhapatnam, it cna be found at the link Draft:Visakhapatnam Drug Bust Controversy, but, it was declined saying, could be notable but this is written like a news article, can someone help me out in re-arranging the article, so it can be published on Wikipedia. Truth Layer 123 (talk) 15:11, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Truth Layer 123. Help Desk volunteers give advice, but don't generally assist with writing or rewriting drafts.

Looking at your draft, the sentence "Visakhapatnam Port in Andhra Pradesh is one of the busiest ports in India and a major hub for global trade" caught my eye. In my view, that is an example of something that does not belong in the article.

Generally, a Wikipedia article should be a summary of what independent reliable sources say about the subject of the article, and very little else. The sentence I've quoted above is cited to a source - but the source does not mention the subject of this article, so it is likely that neither this source, nor any information verified from it, belong in the article (the information should be in the linked article Visakhapatnam Port anyway).

That is just one example - and the advice I've given is always am atter of editorial discretion, not an absolute. But I hope it will help you undersatnd what the reviewer meant. ColinFine (talk) 16:59, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

@Truth Layer 123 The declined-article message suggests asking for help at the Articles for creation help desk, which is a different page from this one. (I've not checked to see what kind of thing is typically answered there, though.) And you could of course ask the person who reviewed it what they think needs working on. Musiconeologist (talk) 18:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

@Truth Layer 123 Your draft looks promising but I think that the main issue is that it is speculating about an ongoing event, particularly in the "Aftermath" section, with statements like The case continues to unfold.... I think you should confine yourself to what is firmly established from reliable sources. Wikipedia articles can be updated if later findings become available. The title should be more neutral and encyclopaedic but that's a minor point. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:23, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Infobox image size

I can't get "|image_upright=" to work on infobox military conflict. This may well be me being a bit slow. Experimenting, I get it to work fine for me for infobox politician, but not for infobox weapon. Is there an issue? If not, could somewhat walk me through how to resize infobox images? Using px to resize infobox images - or any others - is, I am told, depreciated. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:04, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: Infoboxes have different parameters. {{Infobox military conflict}} does not have image_upright. The parameter is mentioned at Template:Infobox military conflict#Parameters 3 but that's the 3rd "Parameters" section and is actually about {{Infobox military operation}} which does have the parameter. The section is transcluded from Template:Infobox military operation/doc. That's confusing. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:33, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Ah ha! Yes, it was. Thank you PrimeHunter. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:37, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: I have added notes at Template:Infobox military conflict#Parameters 2 and Template:Infobox military conflict#Parameters 3 that the parameters are for other templates.[1][2] PrimeHunter (talk) 17:58, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Request to create new categories

The articleTurkmen needlework needs to be categorized. The Persian version of this page has categories that need to be placed in larger categories. Creating a category is not a problem. But I am afraid that simply translating these categories into English will cause chaos in the WikiEnglish classification system. Please create the necessary categories to include pages related to UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage Lists. Arbabi second (talk) 19:21, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Not me, User:اربابی دوم, because I am profoundly ignorant of needlework and would probably make stupid miscategorizations. You understand the subject matter and what you write suggests that you understand (en:Wikipedia-style) categorization as well, so why not tackle the task yourself? If you have particular questions about how en:Wikipedia categorization works, feel free to ask them here; if you have questions about the appropriateness of certain categories or about your suggestions for new categories, then pose them either here or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Textile arts. -- Hoary (talk) 23:04, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

@Hoary😊 Arbabi second (talk) 07:29, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

How do I propose a new Wikipedia page on an individual?

Daniel Horowitz (b. 1938) is Professor of American Studies, Emeritus, at Smith College. He is a much-published authority on American history and material culture whose new book Bear With Me: A Cultural History of Famous Bears in America is being published by the Duke University Press in August, 2025. Teddyart (talk) 19:30, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Help Desk. You can propose a new article at Requested Articles- but it is backlogged to the point of uselessness; if you believe an article should exist, the best thing you can do is create it yourself. It is a challenging process- but if you believe this professor meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable professor or more broadly a notable person- you should gather independent reliable sources that support any claims about this professor. You may use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft. I'd suggest reading Your First Article as well. 331dot (talk) 19:44, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Teddyart, please read Wikipedia:Notability (academics) and also the similar guideline for creative professionals including authors. I read the publisher's description of the bear book and it sounds fascinating. But Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and a writing a book scheduled to be published six months from now is not a plausible claim of notability. If the book ends up being widely reviewed, then maybe the book ought to have an article at that time. See Wikipedia:Notability (books). So, the issue is whether or not the author/professor is notable now, based on his work to date. Cullen328 (talk) 20:44, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

@Teddyart One problem with finding sources for a potential article is that there is a lawyer with the same name: see Daniel Horowitz. If you could indicate here in this thread what you would consider to be the sources for a biography of the professor, we could advise further. The best sources need to meet our golden rules but some details can be filled out from simple statements, e.g. on a university website. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:13, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Teddyart, get some practice improving existing articles about academics, and after some time doing that, embark on a draft. Finding sources shouldn't be difficult: just search for his name AND any one among "scripps college", "smith college", "morality of spending", "vance packard", "betty friedan", "anxieties of affluence". -- Hoary (talk) 23:42, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

February 23

Vertical formatting

At Template:Cite web there is a section that starts with: "Most commonly used parameters in vertical format". If I'm using an WP:LDR is it acceptable to use a "vertical format"? Is there a MOS on how to format a citation's parameters? Should parameters be listed in a specific order (i.e. last name should always come before first name)? TipsyElephant (talk) 01:03, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Can "do not remove this notice before the discussion is closed" be added?

I have posted a discussion about adding "do not remove text" at Template_talk:Redirect_for_discussion#Can_"do_not_remove_this_notice_before_the_discussion_is_closed"_be_added?. I have posted notices at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Templates, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Redirect and Wikipedia talk:Article alerts. Is there anywhere else that I need to post? If not, how long do I need to wait before I start a Request for Comment? --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:15, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Just make sure to put it at the relevant RFC cat. Try not to put it in one too many places, as someone recently reminded me, and so long as you avoid canvassing, it'll be alright. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 02:55, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Here is the thing. WP:RFCBEFORE states that "RfCs are time consuming, and Wikipedia being a volunteer project, editor time is valuable" / "Editors should try to resolve their issues before starting an RfC" / "Try discussing the matter with any other parties on the related talk page" / "If you can reach a consensus or have your questions answered through discussion, then there is no need to start an RfC". --Jax 0677 (talk) 03:07, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Extracting Images from British Museum to Commons?

Does anyone know if Wikipedia has some sort of contract/agreement with the British Museum that lets us upload their images onto Commons? I'm specifically trying to get this image onto an article I'm writing. Thanks! Unlimitedlead (talk) 03:59, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Unlimitedlead, you could ask at Commons:Commons:Helpdesk, but a search of the archive there suggests not. There is a fairly old page at Wikipedia:GLAM/British Museum/Photos requested. TSventon (talk) 05:04, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

@Unlimitedlead: Images on the BM website are copyrighted and explicitly licensed only for non-commercial use (CC BY-NC-SA 4.0), which makes them ineligible for the Commons. And objects in low relief, like seals and coins, are still sufficiently 3D that they don't qualify for the PD-Art exception. But a drawing of this seal appears in Sandford's Genealogical History of the English Kings, pl. 55 (center right), which is in the public domain. Would that be a suitable alternative? Not the same as a photograph, but on the other hand the text is much easier to read. Crawdad Blues (talk) 03:42, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't foresee myself using those images. But thank you for doing the research and bringing it to my attention. I appreciate it :) Unlimitedlead (talk) 03:53, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

For some reason all of my references are not going in my reference section in draft article.

Hello, I've been making my first article at Draft:Frank Elbridge Webb. I realized a section of mine was deficient and needed significant revisions, but not wanting to disturb the draft article itself I did the revision in my sandbox, User:1brianm7/sandbox. I completed the revision and copy-pasted it, but for some reason all of my references are not going in the reference section. I think it has something to do with referencing references that have already been referenced, but I have no clue how to fix it, having relied on the automatic citation tool.

Sorry if this is not the right place. c (talk) 06:30, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

1brianm7, I have removed a misplaced <references/> tag from Draft:Frank Elbridge Webb (and incompetently misdescribed what I did in the edit summary). Has this achieved what you want? Maproom (talk) 08:17, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes, thank you! 1brianm7 (talk) 08:29, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Should Joshua Sturm be moved to Joshua Sturm (musician) prior to rfd adjudication?

Should Joshua Sturm have been moved to Joshua Sturm (musician) prior to rfd adjudication? --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:56, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

For some understanding of the question, see Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_19#Joshua_Sturm.   Maproom (talk) 16:12, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I said at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_19#Joshua_Sturm_(musician) that the RFD for Joshua Sturm should not have been started as we don't need to delete a redirect for Joshua Sturm (musician) to create an article for Joshua Sturm (alpine skier). If the alpine skier is notable and the musician is not, then the alpine skier will be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Other opinions are welcome. TSventon (talk) 16:23, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Unable to archive a source

I have been trying to archive https://www.dhakatribune.com/sport/other-sports/371289/a-kabaddi-world-cup-sans-bangladesh to be used as a source. Unfortunately, neither archive.org nor archive.today seem to be able to make an archive of it. Can anyone please make an archive of it? Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 16:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Did I do this requested merge properly?

I have proposed to merge Chinese destroyer Shenzhen to type 051B destroyer(and subsequently rename type 051B destroyer to Chinese destroyer Shenzhen) because overall type 051B destroyer has more info(and links to other wikis), however per naming standards for single ship classes it should be Chinese destroyer Shenzhen. What I did was just purely add the requested merge template. Did I do this properly or do I need to do more procedures Thehistorianisaac (talk) 17:56, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Type 051B destroyer would also need to have a merge template at top. If you want to merge the Shenzhen article into 051B article, it is more appropriate to tag Chinese destroyer Shenzhen with Template:Merge to and Type 051B destroyer with Template:Merge from. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:35, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Oh ok thanks Thehistorianisaac (talk) 02:36, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

February 24

Edit requests on protected talk pages

edit requests on protected talk pages Kenfree (talk) 05:02, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

 Note: The user posted what I think was supposed to be the question in the edit summary of the edit above:

How do I enter an extended-confirmed edit request on a talk page which is itself extended-confirmed protected? i cannot figure out how to get traction, because I appear to be forbidden to enter anything.

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:04, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

ooops, my bad...thanks for correcting Kenfree (talk) 05:07, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

The standard solution is WP:RFED. Please read the instructions. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 08:00, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Kenfree (talk) 08:29, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Tan Man Neel o Neel

I need unredict Tan Man Neel o Neel because of powerful final scene haunted by --Sunuraju (talk) 07:37, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Tan Man Neel o Neel was an article about a film, but following this discussion was converted to a redirect. As was stated there, "This page can be recreated once there is unambiguously solid sourcing." Maproom (talk) 08:52, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Page Mover: delete-redirect rights

I recently got Page Mover rights. According to the page we have the "delete-redirect" rights. How do we use it?

Nayuki is a redirect page I want to replace but when I try moving a draft over it, the move function doesn't work. I noticed users would G6 it but it doesn't seem I can do it?

For example in Walton Enterprises, the redirect was delete and then the draft was moved. How was that done?

Edit: I reread and it seems that this applies only to single revision redirects? Since the target redirect has 2 revisions because there was a bot edit, does that mean we cannot delete the redirect? Is the only option to perform a swap over it? Imcdc Contact 08:34, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

@Imcdc: As a non-admin with delete-redirect, you would have to move the redirect somewhere so it gets a single revision in the page history, but as a page mover you could also just move it without leaving a redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:04, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter How would that work? I have Draft:Nayuki and the redirect Nayuki. So I need to move the redirect into a different page without a redirect. Then I move the the draft into where the redirect used to be? Imcdc Contact 10:10, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

@Imcdc: Yes. Redirects can be moved like other pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:17, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunterOk got it. I have moved the pages and it seemed to work. Consider this issue resolved. Thanks Imcdc Contact 10:21, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Finding the details of an old deletion discussion

I was looking to make a new page for Women in Red, but got the notice that it had previously been deleted. The notice was not very clear, it was a redirect with a tag of 30 September 2016. I went through the archives of those years to try to find the discussion to see what the issue was, but could not find it in September 2016 or the months before. Could someone please help? The page was Ciara Durkin. Many thanks. Nayyn (talk) 12:56, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

The page was moved in the meantime; deletion discussion is here. Lectonar (talk) 13:01, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Are there any exceptions to copyright rules?

I found two websites(from the Guangxi provincial office of veterans affairs and Anhui Provincial office of national defense education, respectively) with Navy ship emblems of PLAN navy ships. Now, the full discussion is on here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Chinese navy ship emblems(recommend you check it out) however we came to the conclusion that their copyright status was ambiguous at best(therefore instead of adding the emblem, I put an external media template linking to the photo of the emblem on ships like the Liaoning and Ningbo). May I ask if there are any exceptions to copyright rules? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 14:46, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Publish logos complex from Facebook or X (formerly Twitter)

Hi wikis, One question, Facebook, Instagram and X (formerly Twitter) are reliable sources regarding complex logos ,for example if I publish a complex logo from X (formerly Twitter) is it possible to keep this logo on Wikipedia in English?? (Google translator) AbchyZa22 (talk) 15:22, 24 February 2025 (UTC)